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Instant Reaction – Reed Mahoney To Link With Dogs

The third strike on the Eels roster has been delivered today with mainstream media reporting the 2023 departure of Reed Mahoney to the Bulldogs.

Needless to say TCT has been bombarded by messages from heartbroken Parra supporters. We can only imagine how Eels reception fared today! Personally, my phone went into meltdown this afternoon and the sentiment has been the same.

How has this happened?

I won’t gloss over the anger of fellow Blue and Gold army members. They want good news and have been delivered almost the complete opposite.

My reaction is one of disappointment.

As supporters we have an emotional investment in our club. Everyone has favourite players, and the three departing Eels are high on my list.

I’ve watched Reed’s journey from a bench NYC player to the Maroons Origin squad. I wrote up his first preseason in my training reports. As a supporter, I have felt genuinely invested in him representing the club.

It’s no different with regard to my thoughts on Marata and Ice. Each of those blokes joined from the Warriors. Each reached another level as players at the Eels. I feel like I introduced both to the Blue and Gold Army via preseason training reports.

Therefore, to write about their future departures is not something that I’m pleased to do. Likewise, the club would hardly be welcoming the news.

However, in expressing my disappointment I won’t be ignoring the big picture.

The Eels have a salary cap policy that they are adhering to. Whether this is the correct path will be determined by the roster for 2023 and beyond.

That’s right, there’s still a 2022 season to play for, but before there’s any suggestion that I’m putting my head in the sand, let me return to this current loss of players.

I could contend that the club should have locked in contracts earlier in the season. Of course, there’s a naivety in suggesting that. Player agents won’t get the best deal without dipping their toe in the market’s waters. We witnessed how attempting to sign Gutho during the season worked out – it was all over the media and did little to help the King or his form.

It could be argued that money not spent on Marata and Ice could have been used towards retaining Reed. This would have meant deviating from the valuation that the Eels placed on him prior to negotiations. In that instance, it would mean making an exception for him in their policy.

Why have a policy that the club won’t be dissuaded from following?

Not too long ago the Eels travelled down the path of recruiting players on huge contracts. Sandow, Foran, Watmough, Hopoate head the list. Each offered something that the club was seeking, and like certain competitors are doing now, Parra paid massive overs.

It didn’t work out too well. In fact it was a complete disaster.

Reed Mahoney, sans headgear

During Bernie Gurr’s tenure, Parra made the decision to focus on being a development club. It was a smarter approach to managing the salary cap, and it meant investing in juniors and adding to the roster with players of potential or unrealised value.

Under this system there are no million dollar contracts. Apart from a couple of upper end outliers, the key players are kept within a range that allows the club to maintain a strong squad year on year.

The consequence is that the Eels face the problem of guiding and developing individuals like Reed, Marata and Isaiah to the point where their market value is astronomically higher than when they joined. And they become a target for clubs placed lower on the premiership table who will pay above that value as they look to bolster their rosters. Much like Parra did not too many seasons ago.

The Eels don’t face such dilemmas on their own. Since dealing with their own cap dramas, the Storm have had a policy of not matching huge offers from elsewhere. It’s seen them lose stars like Hynes, Finucane and Addo-Carr for 2022.

I won’t ignore the tactics of the Bulldogs. The numbers going into 2023 dictate that they will shed players before then. It’s a case of sign a roster now, make it fit later.

The system of signing contracts so far in advance, without needing to meet cap numbers yet, is a farce. But you can’t blame a club for taking advantage of that. It’s probably the topic of a future dedicated post.

Today isn’t a good news day, but 2023 is a long way from being written.

I’ve written about emerging players in the past.

Something tells me that I’ll be doing similar in the future.

Eels forever!

Sixties

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Greg

I just don’t know what to say sixties. I have been waiting for your reaction to try and make sense of this. I really hope you are correct but this decision is going to haunt all of us for a long time. When did we last have a top class hooker that was in the mix for origin, add in his age and the year on year improvement……….this is nothing short of a disaster. Our spine was taking shape so well and it has now been ripped out. I could understand Marata going home and even us not matching the… Read more »

Eggman

What can I say….nothing positive thatz for sure. Any hooking talent in our juniors?

Offside

I’m Sure BA will find a spot for his other Son

Gary

I think we picked up Brendon Hands. He has talent and also a 19yld from Newcast,e who is a no 9

Offside

Good player from all accounts but young and unknown

Anonymous

Brendan Hands just came from Panthers 30+ games in NSW CUP

Terry

I wouldn’t say their wages are astronomically high lol, in fact far from it. This is a disgraceful decision by the board. The fact they lowballed Mahoney in the first place shows the type of people negotiating these deals. Please don’t tell me these people have business accrumen. Where now do you go in the marketplace and find a top 4/5 Hooker for 450k? What a major stuff up!!!

Brett Allen

And that’s the thing that really pusses me off, we didn’t even make Gus pay overs to get Reed. 600k a year is a steal.

Salty Pete

Yep. A lot of disgruntled fans blaming Reed. The club is solely to blame. They threw the dice when they low balled Reed and paid the price.

Jason

Absolutely devastated… not sure what to think about this. Angry at the management for getting us in this position… angry at reed for not showing loyalty to a club that believed in him…Reed is definitely worth the 600k touted in the media… but is 600k too much for a system that requires the balls in Moses hand as quick as possible??? What’s the play here? Who is next up ? If we can’t get hold of a world class 9 I would be back on the phone to lussick for value for money.

Michael

Nice take Sixies but I can’t hide my disappointment in Reed. Let’s be honest we didn’t recruit Reed from the Dogs, the Dogs pissed him off thinking he wasn’t good enough and Parra gave him his break to make and develop into an NRL player. For him to now choose them over us is a disgrace! He wouldn’t be getting two cents a season if it wasn’t for Parra. I’ve lost all respect for the guy.

Avenger

Couldn’t agree more. He has lost me. Greed Mahoney is nothing to me now. I’d ask him to leave tonight.

Mr controversy aka rev

I agree wuth you Michael. All this jumping around n kissing the team emblem is a lot of horse sh#t from Reedy.

pete

Very sad day. Reed perhaps a future captain or face of the club slips through our buttery fingers…it was the worst kept secret he was going to the dogs. The meal with that smug oaf Gus was just sealing the deal. Is this the Andrew Ryan re-make? I think this is possibly the biggest own goal since Bobcat. Marata, Ice and now Reed all very likeable players and fan favorites are lost. Our retention is lacking credibility. Unless something changes and fast. Also, something needs to be done at NRL about signing players for the year after…it shouldn’t happen until… Read more »

Offside

I said when we re signed BA that it was a sign that this club doesn’t hold ambitious of winning a premiership we are happy to be a finals team who is there or there abouts. Our recruitment retention team/ Management continues to alianate the fan base with strange recruitment strategies 2023 is a while away but with players exiting quickly it could be a long 22 season. The flip side is this is a roster that hasn’t achieved anything 3 consecutive week 2 finals exits is not an achivement maybe a rejig of the roster is what we need… Read more »

Eels fan

Absolutely agree, I have said many times that our club has gone to crap. The re signing of Arthur was clear for all to see that we are going backwards. The board, the chairman, the coach and all involved need to be dismissed immediately. What a disgusting team of losers they are (the coach and co)
Sixties
Stop with your attempts at finding a positive I this crap. Admit Arthur is a failure and you’ll feel a lot better

James

Guys, its not all doom and gloom here. To me, how we come away from this depends on 2 things. 1. How BA, the coaches and the playing group respond to this for 2022. These guys now know this is the last season with this same group of players that have mostly been together for a while. Theres no building it to the future anymore. If they want to achieve something together they have one chance. Thats how we hope they look at it, the other way of course is they implode from within through all the outside noise and… Read more »

Eels fan

Surely your joking right?

Can’t believe a joke of a club like the dogs will be years ahead of us. Terrible absolutely terrible

James

I mean , we’ve been knocked out the same stage 3 years in a row . Signing 20 of the same blokes every season is the comfortable option. To me it’s kind of being overblown.

We have an opportunity to spend some money going forward , something we haven’t had for a few years. We’ve got a chance to have a big chunk of scum bag Ayoubs influence away from the club … we just have to make good decisions going forward and we’ll be fine despite what the media will beat up .

Eels fan

Keep telling yourself that. Make yourself feel great. Doesn’t take away that we are going backwards .

The only solution for parra to build a successful modern club is to be Privatized

Anonymous

Perhaps we could merge with the Dogs Blue. Gold and White LOL.

John Eel

Wrong blue

Brett Allen

Except the clubs retention strategy says they’ll do the complete opposite, there is nothing in this that suggests we’ll make a play for Brandon Smith or any other blue chip recruit. No, this is all McElduff & Sarantinos who are tying BA’s hands here.

Furious Eel

Well said. If we don’t replace Reed with either Brandon Smith, Korosau or Harry Grant we have essentially gone backwards.

Remember what our team was like when we didn’t have a decent 9? The Matt Keating era gave us back to back wooden spoons.

Start strong stay strong

James your comments are very welcome amidst a sea of vitriol I’ve been reading this week.
I love it that our fellow supporters are extremely passionate about our club….but some of the rubbish I have read is beyond the pale.
No-one knows what has been and is going on behind the scenes….Sixties comments above pretty well sums up where we are going as a club.
Signing Michael Ennis who will mentor Reed’s replacement during 22 and going into 23 will go a long way repairing the wound that is causing unbelievable angst among our B and G army

Furious Eel

There are plenty of guys in our squad you could have moved on. Reed was NOT one of them!

!0 Year Member

Disappointed like all here. He has developed very well. Even with his injuries I would have liked to have held onto him. Stoney in the finals last year showed we have no depth in this position. Will be interesting to see what the club’s plans are.

James

People here are going on like we lost the next Cameron Smith. I get it we’ve watched him develop and improve over time and I think many of us thought he’d be an Eel for a very long time.

He still has areas of his game that are a long way off a 650k player in my opinion. When you take out every hooker from NSW or NZ , Harry Grant and Ben Hunt unavailable and he’s prob next in line for origin .. let’s not lose perspective.

Brett Allen

No, he’s a too 5 dummy half along with Cook, Smith, Grant & Koriosau. Then there is a sizeable gap to the next tier. It’s the most important position on the field and we let an elite one walk.

John Eel

I think that he is better than Grant

Luke Winley

id be using cash only as a back up hooker this year. ray “Granite” stone gets the gig for mine.

The Freckle

The club has been doing a good job of late with recruitment and retention. With success comes these issues. Let’s trust that they are making the right decisions. Many “fans” are carrying on social media like the “The sky is falling!”. Worrying about things that may or may not happen in two seasons time. They are probably also the fans complaining that we will never win a premiership with the current team/coach. Let’s be happy that the club is sticking with its decisions and not paying more than they want to. They have a plan and lets give them a… Read more »

Parra Pete

Easier for some people to be pessimistic…Players leaving opens the door for others.. The Agents work hard playing Clubs against one another. The Agents are on 6% if i remember correctly. The more they can get for their ‘kids’, the better off for them. They do not care about Clubs, the game, the supporters..All they care about is “Money in the Bank”…I, for one, am looking forward to 2022. Will worry about 2023 when it arrives.. The Indispensable Man Saxon White Kessinger Sometime when you’re feeling important; Sometime when your ego’s in bloom Sometime when you take it for granted… Read more »

John Eel

Good point. We never had the players in the past that other clubs were willing to pay overs to get.

Colin Hussey

I am no different to sixties and no doubt any number of eels supporters who feel let down and angry as to what is going on or not with the retention dept of the club & the players to keep going forward. The loss of 3 of our key players ATM is not good in any way one looks at it, thing is that of the 3, Marata can hold his head high as he wanted back to his family ties in NZ, as for Ice and Reed, they become a different story, and both at young ages are wanting… Read more »

Eels fan

Players will definitely enjoy having September off. In the mean time, enjoy your dreamland theories

Colin Hussey

Appreciate your thoughts, and having watched what has gone on over many a year with the eels & like you have seen the good and bad, and other areas in between. You expressed your dissapointment in the lead article and nothing can be taken away from it and I totally agree with it. One thing is that I do not disagree with what you have said and for me, the whole issue with so called player managers and the way they handle resignings is to say the least very unprofessional to the point of not guiding the players when the… Read more »

Shelley

Hi sixties, I have waited for this write up to say something. I am so disappointed for the fans. What I am about to write many will probably disagree with, especially my views on Reed and I respect that, but today’s news is not a good day for this club. I don’t know if I am more disappointed in Mark O’Neill and the way he is overseeing recruitment and retention or Reed. Let’s just say there is enough disappointment to go around. In the past two seasons we have run the risk of having only one dummy halve in the… Read more »

Big Derek

As usual, straight to the point Shelley. Agree with everything, my wife and daughter are devastated that Reed showed no loyalty and left the club despite being an integral part of the beating pulse. Like you, Ice and Marata reaped the rewards but unfortunately it seems Reed has turned his back on the club. No support from my family for him in 2022.

Anonymous

Well said Shelley and exactly how I feel 😢

Salty Pete

Shelly, I think your dismay and disappointment should be aimed at the coach and the retention committee. Quite simply the club wasn’t prepared to pay Reed what he is worth on the open market. They weren’t even close. Too much money tied up in under performing players, the 5/8 for one.

Furious Eel

Sorry Shelley,
The Eels forced Reed’s hand to negotiate with rivals when they made him an insulting offer that had no reality to his actual worth.

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Shelley

Marata and Isaiah have left for bigger deals and I will cheer loudly for them. I have supported Reed a lot in the past and can accept him leaving if the deal is too good or simply if he wants a change and also have questioned the retention policies but that has nothing to do with why I won’t cheer for Reed this season. Unlike the other two, although their managers leaked stories as both clubs and managers continually do , these players met coaches and significant others behind closed doors. Reed showed disdain to us fans by going to… Read more »

Shaun

Shelley, that is such a good point about the player manager. People seem to have forgotten their role in all this.

Colin Hussey

Shelley, both of your posts on this issue are spot on, the glitz & glamour boys at the dogs, especially gabble duck gould, and the arab manager are there for their own cheap glory. The dogs, have really fallen into a stenched kennel in the way they are trying to climb out of the muck of the past few years, as they bandy around the spoon they deserved. The way things are shaping now with them and their desire to have players as being their targets as scapgoats for their cap issues, is already backfiring and they will have to… Read more »

Anonymous

This is a text I sent to my brother and mum, explaining why cancelling my membership is not an over-reaction… too harsh? (and yes I need a hug) This hurts more than any other player leaving (including Hayne) for a heap of reasons and on so many levels. Here goes… * Premiership window shut – keeping and developing this core spine was going to be our best shot at winning that elusive premiership * 2022 will be a write-off… a season that had so much hope and promise and which I was really looking forward too is over before it… Read more »

Chris

My question is who do we replaces these starting 13 players with? Are we going to pay overs for rubbish and return to the past decade? Who is a viable alternative? This is a terrible decision by the club. Everyone knows about the ‘spine’. Who is a better alternative than Reed?

The Freckle

Remember the hoo-ha when Parra pinched the bunnies star halfback on a big contact not so long ago? How did that work out? We ended up with Chris Sandow and the bunnies replaced him with an unknown junior named Adam Reynolds.

Nightmare

Always appreciate your opinion, and positive outlook. Wish I could agree, honestly do.  No deviation / exception from the recruitment policy needed to be made if the club hadn’t of gotten the valuation of one of the best & most promising hookers in the competition, so dreadfully wrong. Are we really meant to believe that Mahoney is not worth 600k? Brandon Smith is about to get upwards of 800k, and there are many who believe (Ennis for one) that Mahoney is superior. We can spin this however we like to sleep better tonight – but something is wrong here, and… Read more »

Brett Allen

But 60’s they’re not losing jet position players, aside from Brandon Smith & Nicho Hynes, but as we know the Storm still have Harry Grant & Ryan Papenhuysen and even then the Storm still made competitive offers for those guys. That’s what you are not comprehending, and clearly McElduff & Sarantinos are not comprehending, you simply cannot allow key position players to walk away, they are everything to a teams success. But no, we want a team of even, muddling talent that will get us into the top 8 but no further. We don’t to pay for elite talent when… Read more »

Nightmare

Precisely Brett. They couldn’t keep both smith & grant, and both papa and hynes… Who’s our plan B ? We just lost a prelim final to the premiers that I’m sure most people would agree that if Mahoney played, we most likely win. If ever the worth of a number 9 was on display, it was then, to our team. And we just let a great one go.

BDon

Sixties, also a psychologist would probably write a thesis on the ego, ambition, and drive of Maguire and Gould/Barrett. Maguire is facing the one hit wonder tag and Barrett the no hit Nero. They are competing with the bloke at the Titans as buy now, pay now and sort it later kings. And that poor bloke at the Cowboys buying LLeluia big TBones and throwing $700k pa at him so that Maguire can improve his roster. Agents loving it.

Nightmare

A good point Sixties, absolutely. However those Penrith & storm players have a premiership under their belt. Wouldn’t that have been enticing to Reed & Ice also? And to the club to keep at least Reed? You’re right though, we have a year to find someone and who knows, maybe this will end up a positive – hard to see right now.

Wile

What now with Ennis. Do we still invest in Mahoney’s development… for the dogs?

Brett Allen

I say use him up, burn him to the core. He got an injury, you play old son. Make him play 80 minutes through whatever niggles he has, send him broken down to Gus and Baz.

The Colonel

I see the need for a policy like they have adopted but surely they have to work smart as well. The club run a serious risk of losing more players as the club develops them like they did Mahoney and player managers know full well they won’t compete with the bigger offers. We will forever be purely a development club while this happens and the premiership we all crave won’t happen on the back of that. Moving away from million dollar deals is one thing but pricing players under market value will only help other clubs and place us in… Read more »

Big Derek

Surely it comes down to the negotiating technique of the HOF, doesn’t appear to be the first time the lowballing tactic has been used. That’s not smart and seems managers like Ayoub will use that as an insult , and almost ensures he will look hard and long elsewhere.

A response from the club other than a fluffy pice of , Reed has accepted an offer elsewhere and will play his usual game through 2022. That wouldn’t appear to be enough.

Shaun

Parra’s trouble is that while it is well on the way to being a development club, for both juniors and players unwanted by other clubs, the club isn’t quite there as a destination club. That said, and despite the money on offer, Reed and the others have gone to clubs which have some obvious problems. As disappointed as I am I’m not going to descend into doom and gloom just yet.

Salty Pete

I really wanted to believe in BA. I thought he showed signs of what he and the team were capable of through their resolve in the back half of last year. But the loss of Reed hurts. D Brown is currently on $600K per year, and has an option in his favour for 2023 for over $700K. Based on his stats do we seriously think that Brown is a better option than Reed? I fear BA might be out of his depth with the roster management. Brown had the same agent as BA so no doubt that transaction was easier.… Read more »

Brad

Storm lose players that they are happy to lose. ADC (and Inglis & Cronin) wanted to move to Sydney. Finucane – it’s a retirement contract, they’ve gotten the best from him. Hynes – rep quality player who can’t make their 13. Brandon Smith when he goes – same thing. Warriors, Titans and Dolphins all prepared to pay $1m plus for J Hughes, but he would rather stay, same applies to Munster. Reed has come up thru the grades with many who are in our team now, but that bond, will to win with the players you are mates with, loyalty… Read more »

Ben

Sorry to see Reed go but the reality is that there will be someone who fills his spot. Maybe not so brilliantly, perhaps more. But the team will have someone trying their heart out in 9 and that’s all you can ask.

I’m not going to follow the Daily Telicrap narrative of Parra lowballing players. That’s a poor argument. Good luck to Reed for a deal to good to turn down.

I am hoping the team galvanise around the last season together and deliver a premiership in 22!

greg okladnikov

i can’t believe our retention committee let Reed get away. And the price the Bulldogs reportedly offered is not over the top for a player of his quality and in his position – Reed is a player for now and the future – great pass off the ground, can kick from dummy half, knows when to run, and a leader in chasing the kicks in general play, and full of enthusiasm and energy on every play . A leader in the making . Could have potentially become our version of a Jake Friend/ Cameron Smith ( not saying he will… Read more »

Eelboy

I’m just sad.
Sad a bloke would break up our spine and not want to play in and behind our pack. Sad a bloke could imaging playing for Barrett over Arthur was a development step for his career.
I can only figure he didn’t believe in his team and coach. If that’s the case he made the right decision.
Hopefully he wakes up tomorrow more aware of his actions. Good luck at the bulldogs, he’ll need it.

Clinton Ch

So much for staying for less under Arthur, and not only that, his two prized development players have both left. Sorry but the Arthur loyalty is a myth, Gutherson proved that he isn’t a captain as he stuck by Ayoub side after he dragged the eels through the mud, and our current Junior development is below what is expected, It all leads to the eels missing the top 8 for the remaining Arthur years. bye.

Mr controversy aka rev

Don’t let the door hit you where the good lord split you.

Dave

Hopefully in the future we can strike a balance between a good junior development alongside good retention. Unfortunately there are always going to be other clubs that step in to pay more than what can be afforded in the greater picture.

The whole contract signings greater then 12 months in the future is what concerns me more – do you bench the leaving player in order to develop a replacement? Do you go hard with them in order to get a result, if only this year? Surely it affects the squad

Muttman

Hi all. I haven’t posted here before however I felt compelled to do so today given this disaster. There’s no sugar coating this. This is managerial incompetence plain and simple. This theory that the Eels now have set valuations that cannot be deviated from is probably true. That’s how corporate types like Sarantinos and McElduff operate. Put it all up on an Excel spreadsheet and expect the world to adhere to it. However it’s also a cataclysmic disaster in the making. You simply can’t be so rigid in dealing with player valuations. There are just too many variable not the… Read more »

Brett Allen

Welcome over here mate, prepare to be a negative nelly on this site

Clinton Ch

Why, if you talk negative about the coaching staff on here it’s an instant ban

Brett Allen

I’m referring to the fact that Mutt and I are referred to as “unicorns” on 1EE, but here we’re negative nellies, just the contrast

Nightmare

Well said, MuttMan. Always like reading your balanced opinion on one eyed eel also.
Could not agree more with everything you’ve said.

Furious Eel

Finally a voice of sanity. Thank you Muttman.

Anonymous

Development club or disappointment club???

BDon

If you do some maths, and you have to run a lot of numbers through your head, enough that it’s better to watch a Nordic crime series, the $9.4 million cap doesn’t stretch a long way when you’re a top 4/5 team. The current economics will always see a club or three in our predicament. Agents will exploit the economics til their noses bleed and players will in most cases go for the ride. It would be interesting to have clubs publish some data on cap management.

Brett Allen

That’s why you have to prioritise your key position players. Typically your starting spine, if it’s quality, should take up 30% of your cap. At the moment that equates to about 750k per playmaker per year on average. We aren’t spending that and we should be, given the quality & potential of our spine. You fit the rest of your team around those 4 guys.

BDon

That last comment of mine re cap data is aimed at what you’re suggesting here. We will never get to see the actual spreadsheets,beside the privacy issue you never know what we might learn, but the cap is such an impactful part of the game it wouldn’t hurt to have some transparency if all clubs were asked to compile a report,say as at March 1(around when comp starts)where the data was cut into segments(no names) on a yearly basis and went out til the last contract expiry date.I’m sure an expert analyst could come up with a design that respected… Read more »

Brett Allen

I’ve long believed that player salaries should be published. They warn execution salaries, they can be published like many executives salaries are.

Fathead

Come on people – time to take the blue and gold eye lids off. People are running around like we have lost a future immortal! He’s a good solid player Reed but if Qld had the players that NSW has, or if Harry Grant can stay fit, he wouldn’t be anywhere near SOO. He’s a terrier in defence but he does have some holes in his game. When was the last MOM award he claimed ? Reed has been pumped so high by his manger and Gus that he probably thinks he’s on the road to immortality. Did we really… Read more »

Anonymous

Reedys always been over rated by the fans ,lussic was playing better football than him last season , he will be replaced comfortably !!

FLETCH

Call me naive but I need to hear this from the club. I am disappointed though, that given the predictable fan reaction and his importance to the team that there has been no clarification from the club. They could come out and knock it on the head as false. They would have to know the fans are desperate for that. Or they could confirm and let the fan grieving process kick in with certainty, thus moving past it sooner. This second option though, would have to be accompanied by some sort of explanation. What do they know that we don’t… Read more »

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Mick

Geez there’s a lot of angst here. Ok I get it, Reed is a good player, and like others a good clubman. But the fans need to balance angst with perspective. The Eels have done well to manage cap and develop players in recent times. This should be the first thing to focus on. It may be easier to emotionally invest hope in the next big thing that we pay overs for, but ultimately it’s much better management to avoid car crash high risk signings. I’m disappointed Reed is going, especially to a bunch of degenerates like the Dogs. He… Read more »

Mick

Haha. Always happy to contribute here. You guys do a great job.

Jarrad

I’m not gonna worry about it anymore. We’ll see by 2023 how ready we are by then. 2022 hasn’t even happened yet. Mahoney could have a shocking year and we could be glad getting rid of him for all we know. What’s done is done. Mahoney wants to play for a basket case club for more money that’s his agenda. Sad that he’s going but we’ll get through it

Gary

I feel like Rheed is a risk based on the fact prior to this year he looked another M.Keating clone. Tackle machine with no run game or much else. He had a brilliant year in 2021 but still lacking much of a run game. He was in the bottom 3 or 4 hookers for average run meters and that’s behind one of the best packs. Lussick who is a dead set NSW cup level hooker looked ok in our system. Yes we dropped off when Mahoney was put but by how much? So you have to wonder if Rheed is… Read more »

Brett Allen

The problem 60’s is that the R$R committee, in particular McElduff & Sarantinos, have seriously undervalued Reed Mahoney if the numbers we’re hearing are any indication. Dummy half is the most important position on the field and Reed is a top 5 player at the position where there is a chronic shortage of depth. They clearly didn’t learn their lesson when dealing with Sam Ayoub, don’t lowball his clients. BA must be tearing what little hair he has out. How can he possibly be expected to get this team ready for a premiership run this year ? You know what… Read more »

Milo

Brett i can agree with some of those sentiments. I can only assume the R and R committee did not value Reed as high as C’bury. Until something official comes out we are all left wondering.

Shaun

That Reed has not produced a $700K season is a good point. He has potential but it is still unrealised.

Brett Allen

Who says he hasn’t produced that, and how do you quantify the monetary value of what he has or hasn’t produced ?

Furious Eel

In 2021 he was close to, if not, our best player. I thought a club like the Dolphins would easily offer more than 700k, but that’s my impression.

The reports are the Dogs nabbed him for roughly 650k which seems cheap to me. I thought it would be more more than that.

I was shocked when I heard we offered only around 400-450k, which I assumed he was already on about 400k, I guess he must have been on less in 2021.

Brett Allen

See my comment below

Brett Allen

Injuries are part and parcel of the game, and his injuries have been contact injuries which could happen at any time. What everyone is missing is that you’re judging Reed in isolation, instead of what he brings to the collective of our spine. The spine needs to be viewed as a single entity, not four different players. Time spent playing together matters, it’s crucial, especially with your spine. Once you’ve identified the spine you want to go forward with, you simply have to go all in to ensure that group stays and grows together. I’ve no doubt we’ll find someone… Read more »

Milo

HI Sixties, your writing is like an Opera House visit, composed and balanced with the right notes. I have left my response until now. Like others I see little loyalty in the game, and understand players need to do the best for themselves. Reed’s manager seems to have played and won; and who knows of this involvement with C’bury. Our R and R seem to have not valued Reed as much as people like me thought, or were they concerned about his recent injuries? Bernie has us as a development club and Reed was a classic example; and i think… Read more »

Milo

Cheers mate, i had 5 mins today to write this one.
Yes have seen some reports of the rumoured contract, and it is anything from $600-700 k. No doubt he will be playing finals footy….. 🙂

Brett Allen

That’s standard money for an elite dummy half

Furious Eel

It’s not crazy money for a rep quality hooker under 25. We are paying Moses about 950k already for a comparison. RCG got about 700-800k. Gutherson is on about 700-800k too. Ferguson, a winger, was on about 500k.

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Mr controversy aka rev

Sixties any chance the club can depart with these player’s in 2022 ? If not then why not ? I’m more then happy for these player’s to never see a 1st grade game with the Eels again. Why should we nurture them for their future teams. Im fine with them looking after there future’s. The thing i hate is there’s no loyalty anymore. None what’s so ever. Just ask the regular guy busting his ass doing 12 hr days just to make end’s meat will he sign 1.5 million dollars. I know i would. Next is Jr Paulo let’s see… Read more »

Brett Allen

I’d prefer to use them up, send them to their new clubs in 2023 as broken, busted shells of their former selves.

Mark

I don’t know how everybody seems to know how much he is going to get from the Bulldogs. Is there a microphone hide some where? But in saying that the Bulldogs must have just blown parramatta out of the water. You wouldn’t think he would of left for just $100k it must of been more?

Brad

I agree with Ray Price ,sack the hole board they have no idea. Parra is no were near winning a gf. I’ve been a Parra fan for more than 45 year,s. I think it a good choice for Reed leave. Good luck bro.

Brett Allen

This was not a board decision, the only board member involved was the Chairman Shane McElduff. This was a decision by the R&R committee

Anonymous

Parra were looking at Tom Starling at one point last year before it went cold. He would be a perfect replacement for Reed and suit oir style of play

Anonymous

Which shows you how reed is rated , hes good but thats it, 700 k rumoured , ridiculous , good decision by r & r !!!

Brett Allen

I’ll give you 5 if the top of my head.
Damian Cook
Brandon Smith
Reed Mahoney
Harry Grant
Api Koriosau

Scott

The second rowers would have been mad not to take there deals and reed should have been retained but at what cost? The 81 side had a mix of local juniors plus a saints premiership winner as captain. Our nursery of juniors was the place where other kids from other clubs hated. Look what happens when you retain kids (penrith) and have a system in place to make parra there home for life. BA needs assistants and mary now assistant and backs coach is great. Freddie has him at NSW doing the same job. Paying overs for long contracts is… Read more »

Anonymous

From reports the Dogs have $500,000.00 left for 2023, and 9 spots to fill. @ $80k min salary, the maths doesn’t work. They simply have to let some players go.

Brett Allen

Which is why they haven’t announced Reed Mahoney yet.

Brett Allen

Officially they haven’t

Anonymous

Hey sixties, what are your thoughts on players signing 12 months out from Thier contract finishing? Do you think the players will still put in 100% when things get tough? And could this cause a rift in the playing group next year?

Sparky

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Anonymous

I think this is a continuation of the rift from last season’s accomodation fiasco.I’m expecting us to miss the 8 next year.

Anonymous

Sixties. Is this the most read article of all time? Looks like it’s got a cord with so many people. SEN radio was frothing at the mouth all day and that parra supporters were handing back their membership. I have just noticed that the NRL, parra and doggies websites don’t mention Reedy signing. I think this is all good manager forcing parras hand for more money. I think reedy with really be cash Mahoney and will be staying with us. Thoughts?

!0 Year Member

Above posted by me 😃

Anonymous

I remember when supporters were frothing at the mouth over us badly managing the salary cap and getting caught , cost us semi final appearance 2016, people with the least facts dont make sensible judgements .

Furious Eel

Honestly so disappointed by TCT’s reaction to this. Instead of a thorough investigation into how this could possibly unfold, we hear spin about salary cap management and hold your horses don’t judge until 2023 messages! 2023 the bulldogs will likely be higher than parramatta on the ladder, especially if the bleeding continues and we lose Junior to the dolphins, Brown to the warriors, Sivo to union and Matterson to whoever decides to pay him. Reed will likely be a future captain at the bulldogs. He was likely a future captain of the Parramatta eels, until we saw fit to give… Read more »

Colin Hussey

I would check some of your figures to see how they align with reality, along with how much the club has spent on players who are in the NRL team. The club as I see them had begun a process of paying players according to their value with the club, how much money the players are on are unknowns but, there has been several players who have left since seasons end that has freed up money to sign existing and new players. Thing is players themselves are more often than not, especially when they get something akin to believing their… Read more »

Furious Eel

The figures are pretty close to reality. Obviously we can’t see the real contracts, some of them may be back ended which could inflate them even further, which may explain why our salary cap is suddenly stuffed. RCG’s Panthers contract was around 700k-800k per season. They are paying part of that, but when he negotiated a new contract with us, the Panthers are no longer paying for the new years. Brown already had a significant upgrade when he did his last contract, it may not be 700k, but it is substantial from his previous contract, and it is DEFINITELY far… Read more »

Colin Hussey

Riff are paying part for RCG, and gets less than the amount you suggest he was around on.

The Value seen in DB was enough for him to stay and take out a PO. and he’s not one far more than you are suggesting.

Fergs was on $550, Naduki only played one match in the top grade, as Fergs was brought back, you cannot say Fergs was replaced by a rookie except for the specific game played against the riff where the eels fielded a 2nd half team of rookies.

So what is the threat to him all about?

Furious Eel

We just extended RCG with 3 years, so 23, 24 are no longer being subsidised by the Panthers, when they previously would have chipped in at least a small amount. DB has a player option correct, but the Warriors will likely make an offer with more years, forcing us to match if we want to keep him. He is already on very good coin, better than Reed was. Significantly better. Reed should have been a priority over Dylan (and I’m a huge Dylan fan, but Reed could have been retained for less money and his game seems to be developing… Read more »

Colin Hussey

Up until RCG signed again, he was still under contract with the eels, that included the element that he was under contract for next year and the following 3 years. His contract that included the subsidisation from the Riff does not end until the agreement signed by RCG and the riff for the duration of his contract with the eels. The fact is that he did not leave the eels and he is still under the contract with Payment from the riff. DB has a PO for 2023 that means he can make the call on what he does, stay… Read more »

Furious Eel

You still aren’t comprehending half of what I said.

I was talking about Ferguson’s spot on the roster for 2022 onwards, not his being replaced in first grade in 2021.

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Colin Hussey

Its you who has not comprehended, as fergs finished his time at the eels end of this season as his contract had been completed, and nothing for 2022 for him.

Anonymous

Actually i don’t comprehend anything you’ve said !! Do you ??

Anonymous

The all knowing guru !! Actually rude of you to be referring to everyone elses opinion as stupid especially when you have no actual knowledge whats taking place on the inside . The club owns itself now not managers !!!!

Furious Eel

Do you read the news? RCG declined his player option (this is the one the Panthers were paying part of) and renegotiated a NEW contract with the Parramatta Eels for a 3 year extension.

The NEW contract would have 0 Panthers money in it because it was negotiated between Parra and RCG, and had no connection to the old contract.

Panthers may be paying something in 2022, but in 2023 onward they are now paying 0 dollars.

Colin Hussey

See my post/reply above in regard to the affect of RC declining his contract. Fact is that RCG did not leave the eels and he extended his contract with the club which legally gives him the money that the Riff would have to pay him as he’s playing for the eels the club that agreed to sign him from the Riff with the Riff paying towards his contract, based on the time fram of the riff contract for him which remained with him whilstever playing for the eels within the contract time line.

Furious Eel

Both of you missed the part where he declined his previous player option which ended the old contract. The one he signed with the Panthers, and was later transferred to the Eels. When he declined the player option it terminated the final 2 years of the contract. This is how he became a free agent to negotiate with any club i.e. The Dolphins.

A new one was then signed November 1, 2022 onwards, with Parramatta alone, and the Penrith Panthers would not have had to do anything, because the old contract was gone.

Furious Eel

Yeah, I heard our offer got up to about 550k AFTER he was entertaining leaving. Do you see the problem? That is still significantly less than the reported 650k he signed for the dogs. Some people are claiming it is higher than that, but the papers are pretty firm with the figure being 600-650k for the Dogs, which I maintain is cheap for a rep quality 9 who is under 25 years of age. Cooper Cronk seems to agree with me, not to mention some former legends of the Eels, and the rugby league community at large. Sixties – the… Read more »

Anonymous

Stop reading and believing the papers , it will help your blood pressure and sleeping patterns .

Anonymous

Future captain wow 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 hilarious !

Furious Eel

There are less than 8 elite dummy halves in the entire comp.
We had 1 of them, and now we don’t.
The discussion is pretty much that simple.
If we don’t replace him with another one of the elite dummy halves by 23, we have gone backwards.

Brett Allen

And what will constitute “biting them on the bum” ?

Brett Allen

So that’s the pass mark, making the top 8 ?

Anonymous

Very interesting and passionate debate. Having been an Eels tragic since 1967, I have endured many years of sub-standard administration, the exception being when Bernie Gurr was in charge. I too am very disappointed to lose Reed and agree that he deserved a better offer than what Parramatta made him. But I also agree that his game is not perfect. Gus will take him to the next level. I would like to know what benefit, if any, Mr O’Neill has brought to this club. He was a decidedly ordinary footballer and if half of what I’ve heard about his approach… Read more »

Anonymous

Who was the clown your referring to , dont you know his name ??

Anonymous

Makatoa

Anonymous

And I don’t forget names. Even yours.

Anonymous

We must be related mines anonymous to !!

Anonymous

Gee, I didn’t realise that an expression of opinion amounts to a “disgraceful comment.” I will just defer to your opinion. I’m not out to offend anyone, but Makatoa’s performance against the Knights in particular drew a lot of criticism from people I spoke to afterwards. He may be a very fine man – my comment related only to his on-field performances in first grade. And like many others, I am deeply frustrated by the standard of administration, a problem that has beset Parramatta for most of the last 5 decades. Several others have expressed their anger in harsher language,… Read more »

Anonymous

Incidentally reed dosent have a next level , hes peaked ! Also gus only brings them there , he dosent take them anywhere !!

Anonymous

I respect your opinion but disagree. Reed hasn’t actually played SOO yet or captained an NRL team, but I think Phil Gould will help him to achieve both.

Furious Eel

Rumours on the grapevine that Junior Paulo will be signing for the Dolphins. I hope it is not true. I wonder, if true, will this change the way all this has been reported? Will the optimism end?

Dylan Brown also being heavily courted by the Warriors.

If we lose them both, will TCT condemn our recruitment committee?

It’s a fair question.

Big Derek

The pressure is squarely in the shoulders of the retention committee, have no doubt that the Roosters would not lose players like Junior and Dylan who are not only crucial to the style of the team, but also juniors. if they can’t find a way to retain them, then basically they need to be replaced , I understand that may be seen as an over reaction, but let’s face it, their job description is retaining ng a competitive team and that is not what we are seeing. Sure, we have juniors coming through and some players can be replaced, but… Read more »

EelPaul

The final against Penrith proved that Reed was worth the money, why couldn’t we find the bu ks to keep him

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