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The Tip Sheet – 2022 Ep 90: Instant Reaction, Damn Near Perfect Panthers & Knights Are Too Good

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In the most painful recording in The Tip Sheet history, Sixties and Forty20 sort through the pieces of twin grand final heartbreak for the Parramatta Eels in NRL and NRLW.

The Penrith Panthers played perhaps the game of their lives and engulfed the Eels in a tidal wave of physicality and aggression. Likewise in the NRLW, the Newcastle Knights executed a superb game plan and punished the Eels down their edges.

The boys share their sombre takes on both games on a night that will hurt deeply for all fans of the Blue & Gold. When it is all said and done, there is naught to do but pick yourselves up and get back to work as the Eels chase that elusive breakthrough premiership.

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Milo

Yeah some good points here fellas and it is always hard to make comments when we are emotional. Look i think we did not play our best, and that is it. We did not have the start we needed and they did. Maybe experience? Maybe we were a 5 % off…..I don’t know but at half time it was over for me; and only a miracle would have won it. No excuses and i don’t care about the Kikau one in second half. You must make your own luck and you have to push the refs in these games…..i would… Read more »

sixties

Cheers Milo. All up it’s been an incredibly positive year. Thanks for all of your replies/contributions mate. Onwards and upwards.

Chris K

Congratulations to the Eels on a tremendous season.

Shame we ran into arguably the best drilled and executed Grand Final team in living memory. We weren’t terrible; Panthers were just too good. I can’t think of any other team in the NRL who would have had an answer for that.

Onwards to 2023 …

sixties

Chris, you nailed it.

Bega Les

my chins up. any team including Panthers that plays three finals, followed by a Grand final as well as trip to Nth Qld in the heat and humidity in a month, would be cherry ripe for beating by a team rested, well coached and GF hardened .Our forwards were understandably drained after 20 mins. Penrith had only lost what 13 games in 3 years. as a supporter we can never know the politics of the club organisation, particularly from afar, and it is sufficient for me to know the players who take the field have given their best, and for… Read more »

sixties

Well said Bega Les!

pete

Thanks Sixties and TCT. Very disappointing loss in both games. We were dominated through the middle. Panthers were just far too strong and basically blew us away in first half. I think Too’ ran for 150m in first half, JFH 100m and Edwards also over 100m in first half. Second half 300m, 200m and 250m respectively. Junior and Reg both under 100m for the game. Simmonson ran for 150m but only played 55min. The Sivo dropped ball no try and the Simmonson break with Edwards cover tackle (should have kicked for himself) could have given us 2 good tries. These… Read more »

Parra Pete

Penrith too good on the night. Irrespective of “shoulda, wooda, cooda”..Great team, one of the best The Panthers, with wins in all four grades, look set to dominate the competition for a long time. Good luck to them. Things could have been different if the boys had grabbed the few opportunities that came their way. Not to be..Move on, the wait is on until the 2023 season begins, and it all starts over again…Every team starts as equal.. THE SPORTSMAN’S PRAYER Dear Lord, in the battle that goes through life, I ask but a field that is fair; A chance… Read more »

sixties

There’s a particular team that would do well to read this Parra Pete.

sixties

Pete, the window most definitely stays open. Not too much went Parra’s way in this and goodness knows the Panthers don’t need luck or calls to go their way.

Behind Enemy Lines

Somewhere around the 15 minute mark we stopped gang takling and lost our line speed, I remember thinking we’re in trouble here. Thought the boys showed a lot of heart to put Penrith under pressure 35-40 minute mark and then at various times during the second half. Unfortunately Penrith have set a new level, not only at NRL but across the whole club, now it’s up to us find yet another level and knock them on their behinds. Although Penrith were the better side on the night I thought the Referees and Bunker were horrible, Too many missed and bad… Read more »

sixties

Well said BEL. Penrith are a once in a generation team. They don’t need luck, or ref calls going their way. Makes it tougher when that happens. But they are short on humility.

BDon

Tks men, really well covered. I don’t know how you do that, make it look like there are 2 different ways of playing an all or nothing game. I couldn’t believe Penrith’s manic style with or without the ball, the field position battle lasted for about 5 sets each. I note the Vice Chancellor of WSU is a Parra tragic, could we have him write a thesis on line speed and tackle technique, I just don’t get how you can be good or bad at it under the same rules and conditions. Some great sections – compare and contrast,mental approach,… Read more »

sixties

I want to write about their benchmark areas. The ones that set them apart.

BDon

Looking forward to that sixties.

Spark

Firstly thanks to all contributors here. Enjoyed the debate, both emotional and irrational. The GF – Damn that panthers side is special. The first half looked like the SOO, such was the ferocity in the hit ups and tackles. Alas, we just weren’t up to that level. Moses Leota is just a wrecking ball and has no regard for his personal safety. We need to find a few blokes like that. The Panthers system is an absolute marvel. They will be an irresistible force for many years and will win many more titles judging by the endless talent they have… Read more »

Inquisitive

Was that your irrational debate or just everyones that was different to yours ???

sixties

Does the turnover in the roster add a sense of the unknown or some excitement to next year?

Spark

Always excitement!

Shaun

Ah, bugger. Penrith were just a class above. Maybe some solace can be found in the notion that you have to lose a grand final to learn how to win one. If so Parra has had a very good lesson in what it takes. I felt Parra never gave up and the two tries at the end (partly due to Penrith relaxing the intensity) showed that. But the Panthers were awesome. That first half was one of the best I’ve seen in a grand final. Hopefully the team can take what they have learned on 2022 and use it to… Read more »

1947

Dont agree penrith relaxed thought we just kept playing , penrith would have loved 28 nil . They are a dominant but arrogant force in our game .NO ONE beats them last night , as for the other 14 teams we have achieved more with less !!!!!

sixties

Yeah, I’m on board with their attitude. Glad that we kept fighting.

sixties

I’m really keen to get back to preseason training. How crazy is that!

Trapped in the 1970’s

Hand on heart I think most of us were hoping for a miracle yesterday but that was well and truly snuffed out with the first Penrith try. Our left edge was showing worrying signs prior to the Creighton try but that really seemed to take the wind from the sails of the team as well as the supporters as a sense on inevitability sunk in. For a team that needed to trade blow for blow that kick on the first tackle early on was a worrying sign, then came their first try and after that we never seemed to have… Read more »

sixties

Trapped, the Riff were outstanding. In retrospect I wouldn’t have fired that kick shot, but at the time I felt it was worthwhile. However, from that point we barely had a play the ball in their half. That was significant.

MickB

Yep hindsight always 20/20, I thought the chip to Moses was a good play at the time. Showed we were there to play footy and give it a real crack, rather than let Penrith dictate terms. Unfortunately they did that in spades. I rarely agree with Freddie, but he was right in saying nothing fell our way. Was hard to sit there and watch, particularly as I had some Riff supporter and his wife/daughter screaming insufferable dumb comments in my ear all night. I thought there were a number of instances in the first 30 mins that Klein could/should have… Read more »

BDon

The Moses obstruction was let go, so anything goes. I watched it again and cannot believe the bunker call, even though Moses threw his right arm out, Kickau’s line was hopelessly wrong and rendered Moses useless in the slide pattern. If he slides it’s 3 on 3. Common sense zilch, technical tripe a winner.

sixties

Again another example of at least a 50/50 call that fell one way BDon but nothing unexpected.

sixties

Mick B, I can’t disagree with your comments re Klein. We know how he officiates in our games, in fact in all games, yet he is adjudged best in the NRL. There weren’t any howler calls, just occasions where he could have or should have penalised. But given how good the Panthers are, for us to focus on the ref would be to ignore what we need to be better at. Don’t start me about those supporters from the Riff.

1947

Weve built a culture to take us forward so i believe its time for fans to start directing their voices towards where they need to be heard , junior development ,its in total shambles , gone backwards not forwards since debacle review 3 seasons back ,no one will lose thier job for poor performance ,just another review will simply probably create more jobs instead of making those accountable accountable . Laziness and apathy , reactive not proactive , poor communication with managers and potential junior signings , if its not a major carnival our r &r people simply dont attend… Read more »

Anonymous

We need to get Matt Cameron back from the Panthers Junior development.
How did we let him go?

Spark

I doubt they will ever let him go now !

sixties

1947, we are hoping to have a chat with Brown and Shephard going forward.

Brett Allen

BA has got to find a way to improve our line speed and our propensity to give up metres in defence

Spark

Our line speed and our defence is the most crucial problem we have. We need a defensive specialist to address this ASAP.

BDon

In my waffle above I was trying to say that Brett, Penrith do it in spades,for 80 minutes, we need to do it too.

Inquisitive

Heres our chance then , departing , nuikore , oregan , stone , papalili all slow , reedy workhorse with zero attack and wayward passing , its a chance to retune our forwards and introduce speed and mobility , we have ample offloaders but lack some mobility and speed in forwards my thoughts . Wether anyone likes to admit it we over achieved with this super starless squad and whilst grateful to thier contribution none of the departing will be missed to much, i see this as a chance to rejuvenate and improve factors within the squad , need strike… Read more »

BDon

I’m hoping Hodgson is healthy, will add plenty. Hopgood is young, mobile, high work rate,tenacious.A Rugby League Queenslander, DNA – tick. A mate and I have had ongoing debate about the skill base and mental application of our forwards, I get what you’re saying. The Panthers forwards think and act fast – energetic, consistent, sustained. They’ve set new levels, no point in thinking we’ll catch up by doing the same better. Just an isolated moment, pretty sure it was Leota who chased Simonssen so that he couldn’t cut back inside and allowed Edwards to work the sideline, or if Edwards… Read more »

sixties

Brett, few are able to replicate what Penrith can achieve there. Teams always look to copy success, yet the Riff’s capacity for 80 minutes of relentless line speed for entire seasons, year upon year, is yet to be replicated. Why is that?

Gianni

Guys don’t you think that both Ices and Reeds tackle counts being so high in both made and missed might mean that they were targeted in defence.I’ve noticed this in many games this year especially close to our try line.

Gianni

Maybe it’s time to start stealing some of penriths top talent coming through like other clubs have done to us with Tupou and Stefano.Or we need to seriously get our act together in our own back yard as we barely have anyone coming through to get excited about.

Poppa

We have/are doing that Hands this year, Hopgood next….Hopgood look’s a potentially very good player.
Might shock a few here but I would let Junior go, we need some more intense forwards like Klemmer and Topau.
I’m still proud of the effort we put in and yes we overachieved, the learning curve is still in play, getting a GF this year was a bonus, lets not sit on our laurels.

sixties

Poppa, I agree about Hopgood but I can’t believe you are rating those forwards over Junior. I doubt that there’d be any clubs out there on board with that assessment either.

Offside

Panthers were too good yes. We weren’t close to good enough also yes. What’s sad is the Panthers have a production line of talent we don’t. Some asked me yesterday do we have any young prospects coming through apart from Penisini and JA Honestly considering how far off the pace our reserves and u20s are I’d say no Panthers are a top shelf organisation with a plan beyond the present. We could only dream of such a thing. Last night was heartbreaking I cried my 7 year old cried. We woke this morning he had moved on me im not… Read more »

sixties

By qualifying for the grand final and beating Penrith three times this season (yes I’m including the trial😁) we are arguably closer than any club to matching Penrith, but as you rightly point out, their production line indicates that they won’t be slowing down so we have to find another level as an organisation. As far as the NRLW is concerned, I’ve described the first seasons with four teams as exhibition football. I’ve now described the six team comp as round robin representative footy as the state premierships they compete in get narrowed down to 6 elite teams. Next year… Read more »

Offside

Beating them in the season is meaningless when they convincingly beat us in the semi and GF. Now the dust has settled I’m over the defeat (slightly) i once again see this as a failed season as I now only accept a premiership as a successful season I hope lessons were learnt from last week yes Penrith were on fire but we were flat and our big men were beaten up it’s a concern to me that junior in particular has been out muscled by the Panthers in big games and by qld in origin. On to next year I’m… Read more »

sixties

I can’t see this as a failed season given the steps that have been taken moving forward. Anyway Offside, that’s your prerogative and I think both of us have long accepted that we have different takes. It would be a boring world if everyone saw things through identical glasses. I’ll agree with your call on Hopgood.

Rise Again

Any young kids in our junior ranks or NSW Cup side that can make the team in 2023? We need some young props.

sixties

yes, and a local junior to watch is Toni Mataele.

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Rise Again

where does Toni play ? Can he crack first grade?
Which players can make their debuts next year.

sixties

Edge – backrow. I’ll save my predictions for the preseason when I see how they front after the break.

Rise Again

I checked he is off contract this year and not signed for 2023 is that true?

Brelogail St Boy

All up gents you’ve got to say that the club has had a more than good year. If we’d said, as the season started, that we’d have our men and women in their respective Grand Finals and the Cup men finish in the finals, I think we would have assessed that as a very good year.
I wish the players a good rest (those that aren’t playing for various nations) and look forward to next season.
It will be hard to get a better result, but not impossible. Go the Eels.

sixties

I agree wholeheartedly. Thank you for your contributions here BSB.

Mrbc

Thanks for the work this year TCT. Always good content.

Penrith were great and I thought Parra were too. They worked hard and never gave up – that shows character.

It amazes me how good Penrith are at landing on their knees in the tackle. A consistent technique throughout the whole team. I thought it was a significant contributor to their fast speed playing the ball.

It’ll be interesting to see if that’s adopted by other teams or how it is countered.

sixties

BC, teams always look to replicate winners. I shall include this in my Bumpers Up column.

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