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The Spotlight – Predicting Premiership Success

How difficult is it to predict the NRL Premiership winner?

Some would suggest that it’s quite simple. They theorise that you can shortlist teams boasting a high number of representative level players and that history supports such a theory.

A study of recent NRL premiers makes for interesting analysis.

In 2018, the Roosters boasted a grand final squad that defied the impact that the salary cap has on most clubs. Nine of the starting team had Origin or International honours on their resume. Of those that didn’t, Keary and Manu went on to play test football after the season was completed.

Manu became an international after the grand final.

Even the Roosters bench contained three players with a representative background. Of the three players still without higher honours, Radley is arguably a future certainty, Matterson has played for City and Aubusson is one of the true quality utility players in the NRL.

The success of the Bondi outfit supports the importance of assembling a squad of high quality players. For that to be close to all of your Top 17 is quite a feat to achieve.

To add weight to this method of achieving success, the previous two Premiership winning teams have been similarly gifted.

In 2017 Addo-Carr was a future Origin star.

The 2017 Storm team trotted out an eerily similar number of representative players in their winning grand final team. Nine of their starting 13 went into the match with Origin or International experience, with another two sitting on the bench.

Like the Roosters, another two starters – Addo Carr and McLean – would go on to higher honours. Impressively, the other two bench players – Asofa-Solomona and Griffin – later represented New Zealand.

The numbers become impossible to deny when you examine the 2016 premiers, the Sharks. Wait for it … their starting grand final team also boasted nine players with Origin or International experience. How many later achieved that honour? Yes, it was two with Holmes and Prior getting a rep call up.

Holmes hit the rep scene soon after the Sharks won.

And their bench? Try all four. As for the Sharks who haven’t gone on to play representative football, it’s only Ben Barba and Chad Townsend, pretty fair players in their own right.

Even going back to the 2015 Cowboys team reveals similar numbers. Their starting side included seven internationals plus two who had played for Scotland. Ben Hannant sat on their bench.

Is it possible to find a recent premiership team that defied such trends? The most obvious unexpected Premiers in the NRL era were the 2005 Wests Tigers.

Benji and that pass.

Consider this – only four of their top 13 had any representative experience. Brett Hodgson had played for NSW, Paul Whatuira was a Kiwi rep, Benji Marshall had debuted for New Zealand that season and Scott Prince had become a Maroon.

Just four others would later earn higher honours – Farah, Laffranchi, Heighington and Richards (Ireland). This was no team of “champions” but rather a championship winning team.

The Tigers squad didn’t go on to feature regularly in finals football. Does this support the need to maintain a strong core of representative players to achieve sustained success? 

Conversely, was this evidence of success being possible if the combinations in a team hit a purple patch at the right time of year? The Eels run in 2009 should arguably have provided another example were it not for the cap cheating Storm team.

What about our premiership winning Eels teams? Given that Premiership success came with a burst in the 1980s, the most prudent examination is of the 1981 team.

Brett Kenny was a star on the rise in 1981.

That 1981 Eels team boasted seven players with representative experience. Seems reasonable. A breakdown reveals a more interesting picture. Of those seven, both Grothe and Sterling had one Origin to their name, Edge had a single appearance for NSW and the Bear had not played rep footy since 1974. 

Truthfully, going into the Grand Final, the only representative mainstays were Cronin and Price. 

Of course, the success was to come in the future for others. Grothe and Sterling became superstars and were joined in Australian teams by Ella, Kenny and Muggleton. Throw in the injured Peter Wynn to that team and that representative core was formed.

So for the 1981 team, that first success was probably the prelude for a club that would in future field a representative backline unlike any other of their era. Indeed, for that 1981 team, success was hardly built on the back of experience but rather emerging talent with a small dose of essential old campaigners to guide them.

It seems incredible in today’s game that a premiership could be won with such inexperience. That starting team for the Eels only totalled 1115 games of premiership football, including the grand final itself. The two bench players, Sharp and Taylor, had accrued just 35 games combined.

Consider the experience of these players: McKenzie 23 games, Atkins 63, Ella 22, Grothe 28, Kenny 33, Sterling 49 and Muggleton 15. Even one of the noted “hard heads” of the team, Stumpy Stevens, had only racked up 79 games. Before the season started those numbers read McKenzie 0, Atkins 41, Ella 4, Grothe 16, Kenny 8, Sterling 24, Muggleton 7, and Stevens 60.

To put this in perspective, at the start of that season, the Sterling, Kenny, Ella, Grothe combination had a grand total of 52 first grames between them.

So, is overall NRL experience another important factor? How do recent Premiers stack up with regard to premiership experience? 

It reads like this:

Roosters – 1994 games for the starting 13 plus 394 on the bench

Storm – 1907 games for the starting 13 plus 263 on the bench

Sharks – 2031 games for the starting 13 plus a whopping 718 on the bench

These recent figures suggest that a premiership winning side will field at least 2100 games of experience across their 17 players.

But what of our anomaly – the 2005 Tigers team? They could only post 1414 games for their starting 13 with just 269 games for the bench. Incredibly, the Tigers top 17 won their title with over 400 fewer games than recent premiers. Can it be done again?

And the burning question for Eels fans. How do we stand? To be clear, there are no wild claims of a premiership here, but do the Eels measure up statistically to match it with the top teams? Are the Eels top 17 close to that 2100 NRL games mark? Are there enough representative quality players?

A potential Round 1 Eels team could look like this:

Gutherson – 66 games

Ferguson – 192 – NSW, Australia

Jennings, M – 259 – NSW, Australia, Tonga

Salmon – 5

Jennings, G – 25

Brown – 0

Moses – 105 – Lebanon

Paulo – 108 – Samoa

Mahoney – 9

Alvaro – 68 – Italy

Lane – 48

Moeroa – 90

Brown – 69 – Italy

That’s 1044 NRL games. If you add approximately 260 games for the season (a conservative average of 20 games per player) you get a potential total of 1304 games for the starting 13.

Mannah – 223 – NSW, Lebanon

Niukore – 14 – Cook Islands

Ma’u – 95 – Tonga, New Zealand

Kaufusi – 2

That’s a total 334 games for the bench plus an additional 80 for the season to give a season ending tally of 414 games. The potential team tally being 1638 games, well shy of the 2100 mark. 

Jenko – one of the few Eels internationals

There are six players with representative experience in the starting 13, but that includes Italy and Lebanon jerseys. Three bench players have higher honours, including Niukore with a Cook Islands appearance.

Such figures align more with the Tigers 2005 team than recent premiers. Including inexperienced players such as Salmon (five games), Brown (0 games), Mahoney (9 games), Niukore (14 games) and Kaufusi (2 games) would be a bold selection move. It would be both an indicator of a youth policy and an investment in the future, rather than a goal of immediate success.

Waiting in the wings are other debutants. If they play this year, that experience level across the squad drops further.

These numbers might provide a reminder that we should temper our expectations for 2019.

Dylan Brown – what will the future bring?

Alternately, the statistics read eerily similar to a 1981 Eels team light in experience but heavy in talent. There’s no suggestion that the current batch of young Eels will be able to be compared to the youngsters of 1981, simply that we have a group of players at the beginning of their careers.

Of course other factors such as injuries, and well-timed form will have their say in deciding the Premiership. The successful teams always use significantly fewer players than the teams anchored near the bottom of the table.

But, with history supporting those who subscribe to the theory that boasting rep players and over 2100 games of experience is the path to NRL success, maybe you should start doing your numbers.

Picking this year’s winner could simply involve investigating a couple of statistics.

Eels forever!


Credit to TCT reader, “10 year Member” for suggesting this topic.

Thanks to The Sydney Morning Herald, NRL and Parramatta Eels for the images used.

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Seth hardie

Great detail sixties! It is no secret our most success came with the introduction of a group of talented juniors around a core of experience in the eighties. It appears very similar conditions now. If not this year then surely next the newguard will arrive in numbers. Will we see Stephano sooner or later? Thanks sixties.


Good article mate, I am normally a bit bored with statistics, but the picture being painted was interesting…….not the least being that the clubs with what we will call TPA’s would be the one’s that can build and retain a premiership team. This said I am cynical with regard to how Roosters have managed to manipulate the cap with aid of a multi millionaire chairman and an infrastructure of top business names from the world of television and broadcasting in general. The Cooper Cronk scenario is pointed to say the least in that lets assume he can be paid a… Read more »


its not a critique Craig, as you know I fly in and fly out trying to get the best of all worlds and obviously was not aware of what is being done and has been done. Its great that you guys are on top of it and giving it a go (and yes I sort of knew you were on top of it)….of course living in Brisbane and not being qualified to vote make myself and many would be members impotent in this area. The new constitution will change all that with postal votes admitted. It is pretty scary when… Read more »


Good analysis Sixties, you make a strong case for the need for longevity and representative experience. There are however other variable(s) at play, In 2018 the Eels picked up the spoon. The squad from Game 1 had 1200 games & 7 representatives in the run on team with 500 games & 4 internationals across the 4 on the bench. Add the 340 potential games if that squad stayed together and its not too far different to the 3 premiership winners analysed. Starting team 2018 1 Bevan French, 2 Josh Hoffman, 3 Michael Jennings, 4 Jarryd Hayne, 5 Kirisome Auva’a, 6… Read more »


Agree 60s but we had a horrendous injury toll with 31 players injured. There appears to be a direct correlation between the amount of injuries and your place on the ladder, and Parramatta always appear to have many. Just as perplexing is why teams that regularly make the 8 have a low toll year after year. Until we can fix this problem we’ll never feature regularly in the 8.

colin hussey

Very interesting article sixties, while the 80’s are seen and rightfully so as our most successful naturally they stick on our minds more especially the 81 first win, of interest then is to a comparison if its possible with the teams we had in the other 3 grand final wins. Dare I also suggest a look at the 2009 squad as well as it was very much a late run successful one that bubbled along in a year of off field and internal issues. I would not have suggest that year but this topic is quirky for me. We moved… Read more »

10 Year Member

Seriously, I loved that season, saved as many games as i could to my hard drive ,when the was free 12 hours after a match. Lets admit that was one of those 1 in 1000 seasons, JH was just playing out of his skin. He was superb, however, I cannot no longer live in the back draft. We forgave and he let himself down.


This is a superb article Sixties – to me it highlights the experience that some teams accrue lets say and also how they keep them. It asks more questions me thinks…Cronulla have had salary cap issues as we have seen and lest say easts have had questions asked and seem to have very strong TPA’s and Melb, well they’re a one town team with some good help. For me Parra just need to keep the right players and build around the main core. I just hope they can do well for the club, us supporters and the coach! Go parra… Read more »


Great article 60s. Our recruitment in recent years has tried to address the experience issue with either little good fortune or poor decisions some of which are recognised in hindsight. Our new youthful direction is very pleasing and in my opinion long overdue. That said, similar risks are involved. Its true our graduates of 1981 were a special group indeed but lets not forget the Gibson and Massey influence. Being a long time supporter I have see numerous young players of amazing talent who never reached the career heights many were capable of in my opinion. Great coaches and support… Read more »

10 Year Member

Thanks Sixties, you did more justice to the topic than I could have expected. Well done. We talk about the front office needs to be solid, but what work does the front office need to be doing? we know third party deals are arms length (tyring to hide the snickering), how do we get more? do we say to an agent, you bring your player here with a 350k TPA and we will pay them 700k to play for us? this extra money is what gets you a quality player or to keep a quality player. what about our recruitment… Read more »

10 Year Member

100% aligned on the non-believer, I call BS on that. Something is going on, just not logical on how they can afford and keep everyone. But we need to chart our own destiny. Problem is, everyone interested in Parra with power is aligned to their own interests, our Leagues Club is so powerful and everyone wants to milk the cow for their own PSI (personal self interest). The sad thing is, I really believe Steve Sharp (even with BA comments and wanting to be paid more) had Parra’s interests at heart. IMHO, he was niave at the power play within… Read more »

John Eel

Sixties I really like this post. It is such an important part of team planning and building.There are other points that can be made as well like playing with a run on side with less than 700 games will just about guarantee the Wooden Spoon. Another point I would make is that going too far to get experience can be detrimental. This is due to the fact that the players are getting older and more susceptible to injury and loss of athleticism. I believe that most clubs should be aiming at 1400 to 1900 games in the run on side… Read more »

John Eel

The Roosters have subscribed to the “experienced player” plan for some Years. It has given them two GF’s and a few Minor Premierships and plenty of top 4, top 8 finishes. The Storm similar.

10 Year Member

Jonno, but why is it so? Sixties mentioned their TPA’s are not out of this world. How do they attract so many players willing to play for unders? Of course the Eastern Suburbs lifestyle, that does not come cheap, look at the rentals over there with us. We need to chart our own destiny.

John Eel

I think that Sixties was saying that tounge in cheek.

10 Year Member
Paul taylor

The key is to bring a core group of exceptional kids through at the same time . Fill the team with a few hard edged forwards and game managers and let the kids develop . We seem to have this mindset again now and if these kids show up our window is going to be. 2020 to 2022 . Good strategy if the kids turn out to be good ones .

10 Year Member

PT, that is the dream….so lets assume we ahve teh gifted kids!, whom are our hard edge forwards? TM should come good, he has been blooded over a long time, Manu with his arm being shattered has never been the same….Although, I must state, I agree with you 100%, we need players whom punish the opposition in the middle….one cog of many in the overall puzzle.

John Eel

The Roosters won the GF and minor Premiership in 2013 (bad year for the Eels). It was during that year that I took a serious interest in experience in NRL teams. After having spent some years living in AFL state WA I knew it was something important to them. From memory the Roosters had around 1800 games in their run on team for that year and it was one of the highest in the NRL. As a result of that I was happy to see BA starting to chase experience in the recruits he went after. When it comes to… Read more »


Yes mate its quite laughable really….its very comical how they lose one avg first grader and pick up them and yes they’ve lost Fergo too


….and Big Papi


It is a question of not so much cap management but cap priorities. In most cases roosters and storm the last 2 winners both teams were 2 bad injuries away from a bad season. They front load the cap with high end players and gamble on a core group staying fit they fill out the rest of the squad with middle to lower end players that can do a job if required but ideally not called on. Other teams look at depth and like for like players building a squad creating competition for spots. The 3rd is invest in youth… Read more »


Agreed fully fit teams don’t get the spoon.
Good depth avoids the spoon.
A team like the roosters were to loose Teddy,keary,Cronk they would miss tge 8 but avoid the spoon.
I compare a squad but the top shelf players and the middle of the road players.
Id say our top shelf players would be considered middle of the road by alot of fans. But in saying that i beleive Moses and Mahonney have the talent to become top shelf rep quality players


Many people laugh at me when I say this, but forget about winning premierships or being obsessed with wooden spoons. The process is now in place and a mode of evolution will follow. Parra just needs to have goals of top 4 finishes on a consistent basis….probably 4 out of 5 using 5 year segments. The junior development and recognition of the club, locality and facility is in the grounding (DNA), then we have astute coaching (cynics can say what they like here but we will have our share of the best coaches over time) and management, probably 3 to… Read more »

rowdy roddy

Poppa, I like your analogy and agree that we do have the structure in place to repeat what has been a successful process in the past for many different organisations. I also believe we have finally built the expanded coaching, strength and fitness components required to identify, direct and nurture our junior/youth development policy. This includes the appointment of Joey Grima to head that junior development to support the likes of Fieldsy, Peter Sharp and others with. How many clubs would have the experience that these guys have at the top levels of our game? BA has, I believe, deliberately… Read more »

rowdy roddy

Agree Sixties, agree wholeheartedly. As you say “the parts are in place” IMO that may well be the defining element for the senior players that are not satisfied with anything less than consistent high achievement.


I don’t believe that some people realise how good this kid can be. I thought watching him last year, that he will be an outstanding player. I say that after watching him destroy Parra’s hopes of an u/20’s GF by what I would call his selfish and exuberant play (over confidence). In saying that is what good young players can do, my guess is it will live in his memory for a long time and he won’t forget that game. The last player I saw that had the same confidence in the lower grades and become a totally unselfish player… Read more »

Kaul Pent

Spot on poppa! I know everyone raves about schiender (excuse my spelling) being the next Cameron smith and I’m not knocking young Kyle at all, but I think everyone is over looking young Mahoney. Just because he hasn’t made the same rep honours as him doesn’t mean he is any less of a player. Anyone who has known him since his sg ball days has known he is something special. This is a kid who has done this the hard way, remote little country town from qld and made it though hard work demtermination and talent. If he plays how… Read more »


I totally agree with you. Mahoney is a special talent and going places. But i think it is also unfair for Schneider to be compared to Smith. Schneider is a talent no doubt. You dont make rep teams and captain them if your not a good player. Plus making Fittlers emerging blues squad. I think the hype has people putting added pressure on a kid who is only 18yo.. He has plenty of time to develop and time will tell if he can or will be able to make the jump to senior footy. At the end of the day… Read more »


Well said. Totally agree

Trevor Campbell

Yes he was my pick as the number one outstanding player of 2017. Ray Stone was not far behind him. I don’t agree that he was selfish in that grand final, that’s the way he had been playing in other games. In the semi against the Panthers he played the same way and he completely dominated his opposite, the highly rated Wade Egan?? I believe he truly felt he could win the game for them when they were in trouble, as he was able to do in other matches. It is very easy to second guess yourself when things aren’t… Read more »

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